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I love LEGO

Discussion in 'Life, the Universe and Everything' started by Jamira, Apr 11, 2016.

  1. Wistrel

    Wistrel Kick Ass Elf



    I had the pleasure of rebuilding this fella the other week with my nieces. I can't tell you how many hours of fun me and my sister had out of it when we were kids. We had the extension track too and a few other large space sets between us. There was enough track to get it round the chairs and the sofa so we had "space caves" it would go into between the arms. I've realised that pretty much all of our imaginative games revolved around a cops and robbers style theme. Luckily at the time there was this cool space police lego we had that even had little jail cells to put the bad guys in!

    I guess this stuff probably kicked off my interest in space really....

    ahah! I think I've found my first lego set too...

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    Those little openable boxes on the side were so cool. Much contraband was smuggled in them I can tell you! ;)
    We had lego before this of course, there was some duplo and the classic "box of lego" that came from I don't know where (we hand a lot of hand me down and 2nd hand stuff) but I think this was my first "owned" set.

    Funny though how the little ones were sometimes the coolest. I just found this little fella which I remember absolutely loving! So much time spent flying it around. Happy memories. I like this thread!!

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    Really... looking back at some of the pictures online,... I can't help feel that lego lost something in the space lego when they teamed up with starwars. Some of the stuff really was so cool and imaginative and could explore territory that cannot be trod with today's franchises. Check out these ships for instance. So cool! I'm almost wondering if Lego should make a TV series like the lego movie but about the early space lego and featuring those styles of sets. I bet they could make them cool again.
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    Wistrel
     
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  2. Wistrel

    Wistrel Kick Ass Elf

    OK not an official set or anything but seriously... this is the kind of potential lego turned their back on!

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    Poor quality video of it too:



    oh but this is TOO cool :D

     
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  3. Wistrel

    Wistrel Kick Ass Elf

    OK last one check out the book at the end... so many cool ideas in it!
     
  4. Jamira

    Jamira Samurai Girl

    Yup, my son had all of this cool spaceships if I remember right. Not sure if they are original sets. But there were some sets of this kind. We owned some of the basic railroad sets as well with power bus in the middle.
    That was an amazing time!
     
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  5. Jamira

    Jamira Samurai Girl

    I've checked the building instruction of the Ultimate Milennium Falcon and LEGO's brick shop today. That produced some nice statistics.
    The set includes 5045 bricks, 279 different parts. 140 of them are available at the LEGO online-shop (550,35 Euro). 47 are at least availible in a different colour (143,42 Euro). 92 arn't available. So even if you spend ~700 Euro you won't be able to build this legendary spaceship. As mentioned above it'll cost something around 10k Euro to buy the original.
    Let's start think about printining such bricks. The wight of the white 2x4 bricks above (PLA) is 0,01 kg. Costs: 0,20 Euro. Divided by four: 0,05 Euro per brick. LEGO want 0,23 Euro for such a brick. Let's say the average price of a printed brick is ~0,10 Euro. Multiplied by 5045 parts = 504,50 Euro. That's less than it would cost to buy the available original parts and print the missing parts only.
    Time of printing: one part would take something between 8 and 30 minutes. Most of the parts are simple. So let's say 15 minutes per part. 4 parts per hour. 5045/4=1261 hrs = 52,5 days printing around the clock.
    The quality is bad. Since I print each layer at 0,2 mm a standard brick has 9,6 mm / 0,2 mm = 48 layers. Pretty rough. Not to mention parts with smaller details like 2 or 3 mm.
    Additional I have to make 279 3d-models. Well that's not the main part.
    Hmm ... hard to decide. No clue if the printer would do such a job without problems. No clue if it is really worth it. Depends at least to STAR WARS and LEGO addiction I think. I will ask my son ;-)
     
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  6. Jamira

    Jamira Samurai Girl

    Another approach for calculation:
    I need at least 8 different materials/colours (some parts with special colour arn't visible). Each of them would cost ~20 Euro/kg. But 1 kg per material should be enough to print all parts of this colour. That would mean 8 x 20 = 160 Euro. That sounds really crazy for me. Let's put a buffer into this calculation and say 200 Euro. Compared to 10.000 Euro it looks pretty good, doesn't it?
    Keep in mind that we don't have crystal clear or gum parts at this set.
    Finally several materials (20 Euro/kg) would suffice for more complete prints. We would end up clearly below 200 Euro material costs.

    I really should check this out!
     
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  7. Jamira

    Jamira Samurai Girl

    I am not a LEGO designer. But if someone wants to build a special model I'm willing to help with cheap or even special parts. Don't hesitate to ask me. I would like to see a nice model of my beloved Imperium Spec Lancer ... would be a blast!
     
  8. Jamira

    Jamira Samurai Girl

    Okay, I surfed a bit today and found most of the missing parts. Yesterday I forgot some parts. Now it looks as follows:
    283 different parts, 5170 bricks overall
    246 different parts, 4894 bricks original available
    9 different parts, 141 bricks with wrong colour available
    28 different parts, 135 bricks not found
    Price so far: 1695 Euro. Average price per brick is ~0,34 Euro. The missing bricks would add 40-50 Euro.

    Conclusion:
    It's not worth to do such a job. The CAD models of the 283 parts won't be a problem. They could be generated within a few days and would be a good exercise for me to become better with Autodesk Inventor ;-) Same regarding the material (100 - 150 Euro). But printing all this bricks would take approximately 2 - 3 months and I'm afraid my printer wouldn't stay alive for so long printing nearly around-the-clock.

    Another story would be the print of parts wich are really nowhere available to complete this breathtaking LEGO-set for ~1900-2000 Euro instead of buying it for 9 - 10k Euro.

    EDIT:
    ebay.
     
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  9. With the printers still being new and all, lets just hope they get better in the next few years. This would be a really cool project. :)
     
  10. Jamira

    Jamira Samurai Girl

    Nahh, it's uncool. Keep in mind how long it takes to print a lot of bricks. And as long as you don't pay a 5-digit number of money you will always get bad quality. Loving LEGO I would prefer to buy original bricks meanwhile. THEY are cool!
     
  11. So true, all I'm saying is that maybe in a few years the printers will get better. Or I should say after reading you great threads on the subject, they better get better! It's been sad really to read how bad they currently are. :( I still say you need to look at building your last model project out of custom legos :) At the end my work out better?
     
  12. Jamira

    Jamira Samurai Girl

    In a few years? Hmm ... I don't know how old you are. I am close to the end of my life meanwhile. One year now is like a month when I was a teenager. At the other hand technical progress is way faster now.
    I think 3D-printing will become the new industrial revolution. The Rotterdam Harbour in Netherlands invests massively in 3D-printing. A container harbour? Yes! They see the decrease of shipping goods and want to be prepaired for the time when goods will no longer be shipped but printed on-site. The new method to earn money will be to sell or deliver 3d- or other data instead of manufactured products. This will affect a wide range of products (plastic and electronic parts as well as food, medicine, clothes, furniture ... even toys and small bricks probably). I think the changes will be dramatically. But it'll take at least around 10 years until it'll be "normal" or "standard". Don't know if I survive that long :-/
     
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  13. yes, I'm sorry your right I'm a very young man going on 50 :)
     
  14. Wistrel

    Wistrel Kick Ass Elf

    Interesting calculations to see written down Jamira. I have to admit I had vague thoughts along these lines (i.e. given the granular nature of lego bricks in models the time to make all the individual bricks would be crazy). Random thought though... could one 3D print moulds for said bricks? So you could make many of the same brick faster than 3d printing each?

    I'm expecting no on this but it was just a thought to be completist about giving up on this idea. Another thought about the building is that maybe buy the model or parts build it and sell it on again? This would be the same idea as expensive items in Entropia. I don't think people buy them with "the money is now gone" in mind. They probably always expect to sell on to the next big ticket player.
     
  15. Jamira

    Jamira Samurai Girl

    Print moulds doesn't make sense in this case. LEGO bricks are made of ABS and need steel moulds because of the temperatur during the process. And you would need high pressure as well to fill the moulds. The PLA-moulds would melt immediately and the high pressure would blow them away in a moment. Even cold epoxy won't work because it would stick to the mould. In generally it could be a good idea to print moulds for gypsum or such materials. But such parts need to be removed from the mould. I engineered ABS-parts for car lamps back in the nineties for HELLA - a big automotive supplier - so I know something about this issue. It could be very tricky for complex models (like my TESO avatar Mena Oris).

    One of the advantages of printing the original is that you don't have to care for such problems. You can print models with undercuts and hollows.
     
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  16. The "pirate rigging" part of the UCS Falcon is so rare that many of them are 3D printed and the ebay auction will state that.
     
  17. Jamira

    Jamira Samurai Girl

    What is it? Can't find it.
     

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